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coming up on Tech news weekly I Micah sargentin back and my co-host Jason Howell and I have a lot to talk about first read Albert Gotti of semaphore.com joins us to talk about Microsoft eyeing open Ai and uh maybe placing a bet on chat GPT 10 billion dollars white the amount then Patrick George Of The Verge stops by to try to explain what the heck is going on at Tesla it’s a very interesting conversation as we look through uh what changes have happened and how musk is involved before we round things out with our stories of the week that are all about the AI I talk about open AI looking at adding a paid version of chat GPT and Jason talks about CNET publishing entire articles generated by AI what is a chat GPT I don’t think so in any case stay tuned for this episode of tech news weekly once again time for the twit audience survey the annual survey helps us understand you so we can make your listening experience even better it only takes a couple of minutes but it sure helps us out a lot 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that are involved in this potential deal yeah I’d say the deal is pretty likely to happen um I think the numbers could change I mean who knows but but we reported the other day is that Microsoft is going to put around 10 billion dollars into open AI which is basically like almost an acquisition because they’ll end up owning something like 49 of open AI but it’s not really an acquisition because this is unlike any Venture deal I’ve ever seen uh where Microsoft’s profits are actually capped and they’re actually going to get a a percentage of all of open ai’s profits until they recoup their investment so in the end of this like let’s say open AI uh invents you know artificial general intelligence and becomes a five trillion dollar company uh you know they would actually end up with those shares back for Microsoft because because the profits are capped so it’s a very unusual deal yeah so that was actually one of the things that stuck out to me um this this sort of first of all the return on the profits uh at 75 and then um the way that you know going forward there’s there’s an overall cap and so it does sound like that’s not typical in this kind of investing that this is a little bit different I’m curious if you have any insight into why it’s done this way is it because open AI is going well we really feel like we’ve got a thing here so we may come become that you know multi-trillion dollar company uh so we don’t want to enrich Microsoft that much I mean why do you think this is uh working out to be this way yeah open AI is an unusual company they if you remember they were actually founded as a non-profit by Elon Musk and some other people and then they transitioned into a for-profit company and they’re now rolling out these products but they still have a non-profit that the company is supposed to benefit so what they’ve said is they want to cap profits so that ultimately the money will will start flowing back to the non-profit in sort of this waterfall structure so it’s really their um it’s really their sort of like uh philanthropic uh you know altruistic side that’s that’s at least that’s why they say they’re structuring it this way interesting so I was wondering about that myself uh given that this company did start out as this uh not Prof not-for-profit company or non-profit company that was uh you know making AI but also trying to sort of keep an eye on AI and make sure that it’s always for the good of humanity Etc et cetera and then they started coming out with these different uh public facing not products but um demos at the very least and it did feel like things were transitioning a little bit um so what you’re saying is that not for profit or non-profit portion is not going away it’s still there uh but they’re just going to have a for-profit arm is that is that the understanding it is yeah that’s how it’s structured so you know open AI the company um is a for-profit profit Venture but they actually send money back to this non-profit which is really fascinating I mean the whole idea was that um I think that that Elon Musk and others had was that you know artificial intelligence is this dangerous technology um in the way that like in the most science fiction way possible Right like Terminator um taking over Humanity or trying to destroy Humanity or something um and so we need to sort of you know act very sort of tread very carefully while uh creating the technology and I think it’s kind of interesting it’s like the philosophy is well if if this technology is going to move forward and happen then the people who are really cognizant of the risks should be the ones building it um and that’s that’s kind of the philosophy that underlies open Ai and I think a lot of people who work there there they really do sort of see this as a as an important mission for Humanity um meanwhile chat Chief Z3 and all this new Dolly and all this stuff is like looks like it could be just an amazing uh new wave of consumer technology absolutely now getting back to Microsoft um this is only kind of the latest bit of Microsoft’s involvement with openai um tell us about the company investing in 2019 I wasn’t aware of this oh yeah so they yeah that Microsoft really helped openai kind of uh develop this technology they they invested a billion dollars uh back in 2019 and probably more interestingly they they created they built a super computer one of the world’s largest super computers with something like 280 000 CPU cores so they they actually had to build you know Hardware just because this stuff is so energy intensive I mean it’s not something that you can just run on the on the typical Cloud I think Sam Altman said it was something like two to three cents per query that it costs the company every time someone uses chat gpt3 or chat gbt sorry so you know it’s it it Microsoft I think the big benefit for them here is not so much like the promise of profits from this investment it’s that they get to be on the Forefront of this really transformative technology and actually learn uh how to build the cloud and how to how to you know create this stuff so I think they don’t want to miss the next wave like they missed you know search and mobile yeah and so speaking of that I remember um them talking Sam Altman talking about how much it costs and how much it costs per day to be able to do chat GPT and it kind of happy every time I would go over tachypt going oh man I I kind of feel bad I’m costing this company a bunch of money but um you know that would make you thank you that would make you wonder about chat uh or rather Microsoft making an investment in a company that is basically just bleeding out money but you or rather you and uh your co-author and the piece talk about how this really isn’t a gamble for Microsoft and you briefly touched on it just then um tell us about kind of the the future uh looking that Microsoft is doing in making this investment I mean yeah my view is that look yeah they are I don’t think open AI has some concrete business model if it’s proven yet but they and they are gonna they are gonna bleed a lot of money but that money is going to go right back to Microsoft um I probably should have mentioned earlier that investment for a billion dollars that they they put in opening at earlier a lot of that was actually Cloud credits Microsoft has you know their Azure Cloud so when openai is bleeding money they’re they’re leading right back to Microsoft so I think that reduces Microsoft’s risks somewhat um and I think it actually helps them sort of like in a way um boosts their Cloud business they’re chasing you know Amazon the AWS uh and they’re and I think Google is probably super worried I read somewhere that inside Google it’s like a code red um because you know they see this happening and uh while Google is certainly on the Forefront of AI and actually help develop a lot of the technology in chat GPT they haven’t really figured out a way to consumerize it um and I and I think that has a lot to do with just the cost because you know Google has so many users if they start if they just like added a chat GPT type feature to you know Google search and billions of people started using it like it was just listening staggering wow yeah I hadn’t I hadn’t considered that part of it that uh you want you might want to release one of these features but the if you’ve got a bunch of users the cost really adds up now how could Microsoft end up incorporating because it’s not just an investment in the company uh in the sense that you know you’re betting on a future where open AI really Nails it but also the tools that openai has available now uh there’s been some talk of incorporating that into its products how would Microsoft do that and uh in doing so then are we looking at one of these situations where uh they they’re costing themselves a lot of money because there’s so many users out there yeah it was really interesting I think the information first reported about their plans in detail to kind of like incorporate this into Bing their search engine and other you know Microsoft Office Products stuff like that I mean they they do have you know remember clippy we’ve made a lot of clippy jokes but you know they do have this sort of autocomplete feature in in word that’s similar to you know Google Docs has that as well so you could see how this stuff would start powering those things but you’re right I mean the the cost is is super high I think that’s where they’re uh you know building this super computer really helps because they’re I’m sure they’re looking they’d have to be looking for ways to kind of cut the cost down on you know the the actual implementation of the of the technology right so they may have I mean that that may be where there they might be even ahead of Google I’m just guessing um just based on having developed this now for a few years with uh openai I’m sure they’ve been aware of the problem and are trying to work on absolutely one last question for you kind of an open-ended one uh any other insights you’d like to share about this deal and kind of what you’ve seen so far what uh you’re predicting going forward yeah I mean I think I think this deal probably will happen in some form or another I think one question is um you know there were a lot of venture capital firms that have invested in open a open AI as well uh we didn’t talk about the valuation yet I mean 20 it’s 29 billion dollars which is really high for a company that doesn’t have you know a business model yet um and and it’s sort of unclear exactly what the model will be so I wonder if if Venture firms are you know how they’re thinking about this investment right because it’s you know they don’t have the same sort of like you know I guess strategic interest that Microsoft has they need to make a return and make a return fast and then the returns are capped so we haven’t really heard a lot from from the VC world yet on this and I’d be interesting it would be interesting to see what happens there absolutely well read album ready I want to thank you so much for joining us today uh always appreciate your insights of course people can head over to semaphore.com to check out your work but is there anywhere else folks should go to be able to keep up with what you’re doing sure I’m still on Twitter uh at read hovergatty um and yeah please sign up for the newsletter the the technology newsletter comes out every Wednesday and Friday it’s free um so the business one is free as well uh which is where you know Liz Hoffman my co-author on this story uh writes the biz newsletter so we’re new uh check us out I think you’ll like it beautiful thanks so much for your time I appreciate it thanks for having me alrighty Folks up next it’s time to take a tough look at Tesla but before we do I want to take a quick break to tell you about our first sponsor of the episode it’s eight sleep I’ve said it before I’ll say it again a hundred 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from The Verge he wrote an article right before the new year uh that focused on all the challenges that are kind of facing this once a darling of the electric vehicle industry uh and so we got a lot of talk about Patrick welcome to the show thank you for having me happy to be here yeah it’s great to get you on we appreciate you taking a few moments to talk to us all about Tesla and how I feel like at one point the snapshot was this is amazing a company is finally making electric vehicles happen and you know and by you know a lot of people’s uh accounts it you know the whole success of the electric vehicle industry seemed to be propelled by this company and now we’re at this point of Reckoning for a million different reasons so it’s hard to know exactly where to focus but let’s start with I don’t know if it’s the the least or most important part of this but the stock price of Tesla how is it doing this these days because it’s really a great gauge for kind of uh sentiment around the company what’s that looking like I I guess that the importance of it depends on how invested you are in that stock price um true it’s doing better it’s doing better now than it was at the beginning of the month I think late last few days it’s been trading about 120 and at the beginning of January it was hovering just over 100. so uh you’re still way down significantly from from last year’s highs um and you know Tesla’s stock had always been vastly overpriced even Elon Musk has admitted that himself but it’s it’s there’s there’s sort of like a mix of like traditional car company problems they’re having to deal with natural leveling off of tech stocks like you just talked about and then some unique issues that are uh a little weird and self-inflicted which I’m sure we’ll talk about self-inflicted there it is yes indeed well before we get to that um I did want to call out one thing that you wrote about this Margin Call situation that you wrote could be kind of tumultuous uh for the stock and then we can get away from the stock and start talking about all the other uh flat fireworks going on but explain what you mean about that because I’m not I’m not super uh knowledgeable on stocks in general I don’t own any Tesla stock or anything like that so I don’t know how this would impact me personally but I’m curious to know like how would this uh how would this impact the stock yeah this is a tricky one and there was there was a while in my editor at The Verge and I were like scratching our heads for about 20 minutes like how the hell do we explain this in like a concise in a normal person way because it’s tricky but basically uh musk didn’t pay cash for Twitter like most of his wealth comes from the Tesla stock you know I think he you know he may have that Emerald mine money somewhere that we all like to joke about but nothing that would put him in like you know the tax bracket he said now so he ends up buying Twitter with loans using his Tesla stock as collateral if the Tesla stock it was collateral for those loans starts collapsing you can see where this is going you see like it’s almost like a house of cards that just starts collapsing at some point uh you know to use a gen Z term his his Bankers his lenders are going to want to see the receipts and what that could mean is you know he has to put more collateral into these loans more cash or more Tesla stock diluting his ownership and shares of the company and I think probably weakening confidence in the company as well like it would all just kind of slide downward from there in theory this is how not happened yet he hasn’t been margin called um you know if you’re a shareholder just a family company you’re not going to want to see that happening but uh you know it’s I it it the fact that they were even talking about it for a minute was it just kind of illustrates how odd the situation is yeah interesting you know one thing that I’m noticing and and full so full disclosure here me and my wife we bought a Tesla last year before all this happened I I think I would make a different Choice uh if if it was a year later and and I was gonna buy an EV I would certainly think I would certainly think about it uh twice and and kind of consider like what is that signal that I’m sending by doing that but regardless we bought it before all this and I don’t know if it’s because we now have a Tesla that we’re seeing lots of Teslas around town or if it’s just that there are an insane amount of them but I feel like I’m seeing them everywhere right now I’m also starting to see though now some serious competition we’re starting to see some you know of the other competitors uh traveling around town what and for such a long time it seemed like Tesla was the only game in town we were talking about EV and I realized that isn’t the case right now but this is kind of prime territory for the competition to really catch up and possibly surpass are you optimistic that Tesla can kind of Remain the leader that it has seemed to be up until now in modern AV or have the tides changed I’m kind of a solid maybe on that and like let’s let’s talk about just the EV Market that you you brought up some really excellent points uh there is more competition now in this space than there ever was all of all of the automakers for the most part are rushing into the EV space they’re driven by uh you know demand for EVS in China they’re they’re driven by you know regulatory issues in Europe and in the United States you know all over the world that are kind of pushing the world away from fossil fuels and just kind of seeing this as like you know this is the future software-defined Vehicles go hand in hand with EVS like there’s a lot of reasons they’re all rushing toward this now what’s interesting is that they’re all kind of following the Tesla Playbook a lot um these are very high tech EVS they’re very they’re filled with screens they’re very heavy on software you know for the electric performance they offer is really incredible they are getting higher and higher ranges you know we’re looking at EVS with 500 600 miles of range in the near future so like this Market is getting really serious both from like the lower and like the Chevy Equinox EV that’s like 30 grand to you know like a lucid air which is like you know 120 Model S competitor kind of thing I think that you know it’s going to be a real test of Tesla’s ability to um innovate and and and stay ahead in the market it effectively pioneered um and I think that one of the biggest threats they face that no one really talks about enough is the fact that the Tesla lineup is getting a little old Like the Model S is a 10 year old car the x is eight years old uh the three and Y are uh six and five respectively I believe all of these cars are getting to the point where like most like traditional automakers would have replaced them with all new models once or even twice by now and I Tesla to their credit has done an awesome job of like updating these cars and adding over-the-air features and kind of changing the specs on performance uh you know once or twice a year like they’ve done a great job with that but they still kind of look the same for the most part as they always have I think that that they’re they’re not going to be seen as like the newest hottest thing when some of these things are hitting the road um the other thing I want to be clear on too is I don’t see our current moment of weirdness is like a as like a like a fatal moment for tests it’s not some Do or Die moment it’s just a really weird issue you know a set of issues around Chinese production and like is Elon musk’s focused on the right place and can they stay ahead of the game like this is not you know the moment where they’re they’re you know cash in your chips and and we’re the last person turn the lights off of the factory kind of moment it’s just it’s just some some weirdness that they need to figure out sooner than later yeah yeah absolutely um now that’s a really uh good point that you bring up about the pipeline and that’s that was one of the questions that I had as well is like I mean we’ve heard of the the Cyber truck and the like never-ending delays and pushing off into the distance as far as the release of the Cyber truck what like do we know of anything else that Tesla is actively working on in the pipeline have they been pretty quiet about what’s coming next yeah that’s I that’s that speaks of the problem here the stuff that we’ve heard about is is a reported model 3 update probably not a new car but maybe some sort of refresh or or update there which I think is needed but you know I haven’t heard plans of you know him coming out saying like we we need like four new SUVs uh you know in the next five years which they probably do need an announcement like that there’s the Roadster which is you know really far off and on its best day that’s going to be at a very expensive Niche vehicle if they can get it out uh there’s a semi and I I consider myself kind of skeptical of the Cyber truck like I think it’s the design is really something but there’s a lot of Tesla bowls and like the hardcore cheerleaders on Twitter who act like the Cyber truck is going to put the Ford F-150 out of business and I don’t think it’s going to I mean this is a this is a truck that they have had to adjust the design on many times so it could be street legal they had to add mirrors they had that windshield wipers to it you know there’s rumors that might not have airbags I haven’t been able to confirm that yet obviously but uh you know there it’s it’s is this the kind of truck that can compete against the stuff that we’re seeing from like RAM and Chevrolet and Ford in the truck space or is it a toy and I it kind of feels like the ladder and I’m not sure a toy is going to like move the needle for them in a way they need that right now although so much about Tesla in my own experience there’s a lot of inside of Tesla that kind of Screams toy to it as well like there’s a lot of serious there’s also a lot of not so serious uh which is which is uh which is kind of a mixed bag because on one hand it’s kind of like oh great a company that doesn’t take itself seriously except you’re a vehicle company you should probably take yourself seriously uh because people could die if you if you don’t and we haven’t even even touched yet on kind of the the chaos surrounding you know Elon Musk I feel like things have sort of you know slowed down or quieted down here in the month of January and I’m not sure if that’s because there’s less noise being made or if we have other things that are distracting us but musk has had a pretty uh noisy year you know taking over Twitter um you know and and really directing his attention away from Tesla into kind of the distraction that Twitter has become how I mean how serious is that ad for for the company like well I have to imagine people you know who are Tesla devotees are you know have to be upset about the fact that it really seems like Elon is distracted and how does that impact the brand yeah distracted is absolutely the word I use and that’s kind of the perception it gives off right now like we look at the reasons for the Tesla price stock price decline it’s been some fairly normal factors like weakening demand in China and having some issues you know with production in that country because of their aggressive coveted lockdowns that’s kind of the normal stuff then we get into the weird stuff which is like his ownership of Twitter you’re right I think that to a lot of people even to his fans to his investors like musk does not give off the appearance of a CEO who’s fully in control of his car company which is also the primary source of his wealth um you know he sent an email to the Twitter staff uh you know I think the other day that that uh platformer was the force to report and he said most of my Tesla work was completed this weekend and now I’m I’m able to discuss you know product needs and I have to personally sign off on every product change of Twitter and it’s like you’re the CEO of the biggest EV company on the planet and like you finish most of your work right at this weekend like it’s like like some freelance story like I’m trying to knock out of my off hours like like a side hustle like that’s very odd to say and I mean like you know the the dude spends a lot of his day like reply tweeting people and yeah you know being tech support for often like Fringe far-right characters and vaccine deniers and and some you know some fairly unsavory folks who you might have some views that have cut us we would Clash I guess you could say with a lot of the core Tesla buyers for years so you know is there is kind of a sense that he’s got like a shiny new toy and is is is kind of focused on that and and maybe it’s because he sees Twitter as this great um you know Pathway to this all-encompassing app thing that they could work with payments work with a car whatever or maybe it’s just like Saving Face a little bit like he he bought a bit of an albatross and uh you know now their star for revenue and now he’s trying to get them just break even he’s got his workout out for him and then it was probably not work he should have taken on the first place yeah and then there’s the kind of like the unfortunate timing of certain things right like um one thing that we’ve been talking about on the network this last week that’s been kind of making the rounds is a surveillance footage of the eight car pile up uh on in the San Francisco Bay Bridge and kind of the unfortunate timing of that coupled with musk’s uh self-driving beta tweet saying hey self-driving is you know it’s it’s clear it’s good to go you know it’s never been better meanwhile on the same day you know we’ve got this footage of from my understanding anyways from this story that self-driving full self-driving was in control of course the driver had some culpability here too the driver was sleeping from my understanding but um but still you’ve got this system that you know musk musk and Twi and Tesla really want everyone to trust and to feel comfortable with yet something like this happens I mean talk about the uh talk a little bit about kind of the the the parallels between what’s come coming out of the mouth and what we’re seeing I guess yeah it’s this is another example of Tesla kind of leading the industry I mean like they were if if not the first one of the first to Market with uh you know an automated Advanced Driver assistance system which is what autopilot is it probably never should have been called autopilot it really really shouldn’t have been called Full self-driving um and it’s it’s a very good system it’s very Advanced I think it’s fair to say it probably takes more risks than competing systems from General Motors from pole star and Ford and so on um and there have been you know they’ve made improvements to it over the years but it it it does every few weeks spark some big you know crash somewhere and then there’s a big investigation well well was it autopilot you know malfunctioning was the person drunk in the back are they watching a movie and like this crash like I don’t think we have all of the facts in yet but it is it is causing a lot of Doubt About A system that musk has said you know this is the key to Tesla being worth anything like he said that the company is is quote unquote worthless if if we don’t figure out full self-driving and automated driving and you know what’s interesting there is that last year was a really brutal year and the automated driving sector like we saw you know huge startup Argo AI went out of business backed by Ford and Volkswagen um that 2022 seemed to be the year where most car companies and most tech companies looked at uh autonomous driving like you know what this is not right around the corner you’re not going to be giving your keys to a robot in like five years you’re not going to be using your car as a robo taxi when you’re sleeping uh it’s probably just gonna gradually evolve more and more into more advanced safety features over the next few years and be used in commercial applications mining you know like like those kinds of settings but musk is still sort of tripling down like no this car is going to drive itself and that’s going to be the key to unlocking all of the value for Tesla long term it’s like okay we’ll see that’s definitely at odds with the trends we’ve been seeing what everyone else has been saying yeah yeah indeed indeed well I do not believe this is a story that is anywhere near complete it would be interesting to see what 2023 does for the company as we you know we were talking about just a few minutes ago in you know as Tesla really continues to be kind of pressured by the fact that there is actual competition and sizable competition that’s kind of heating up as I believe and I think a lot of people agree competition is a good thing kind of key you know and Tesla’s had some Innovation but it also hopefully the competition helps to keep them honest as far as what they actually have and and what maybe they’re playing their cards too strong or whatever but I think we’re going to learn a lot more about the company as we uh head forward this year so I’m sure you’re gonna be writing all about it Patrick I I often tell people I feel like it’s elon’s world and I just kind of live in it so uh you know excited for more of that in 23. there we go Patrick George uh thank you so much for hopping on and uh talking with us a little bit about this obviously people can follow your work on the verge so everybody can go there people want to find you online where can they find you I’m on Twitter at bypatrick George and I post a lot of my stuff at the same address on LinkedIn too but uh thanks for reading and Jason thanks so much for having me on it’s been wonderful you bet we’ll talk to you soon Patrick take care of yourself take care all right uh coming up I think for the rest of the show we’re going to talk about artificial intelligence I knew on this show the last few years uh our interests like you really see them Bubble Up I mean obviously AI is a huge story but we also had where we had our VR moment VR like so many of the stores stories or VR and now it’s like oh all the AI stuff because there’s so much happening at such Rich ground uh to mine so uh coming up uh what might be a premium version of a chat GPT uh offering what might that look like well we’re going to talk a little bit about that in Micah’s story of the week but first this episode of tech news weekly is brought to you by ACI learning if you have heard us in the past talk about it pro or it pro TV right now it’s just it pro well you’re gonna love ACI learning and all they have to offer ACI learning has fully customizable training for your team in formats for all types of Learners across audit cyber security and I.T so you get entry-level training all the way 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experienced this before uh this morning actually was the first time that I saw this happen where they reached capacity and therefore were not able to add any new people in to use chat GPT um so it is uh interesting to see how you know as more people are learning about it uh what is what they’re able to do what they’re not able to do and I actually just refresh the page and was able to log in and I’m here but it says at the top um we’re experiencing exceptionally high demand please hang tight as we work on scaling our systems uh so I would imagine that it would take a while for it to uh properly load uh whatever message I give it and uh you know whatever prompt I give it rather and for it to actually pop up so um we talked earlier about Microsoft looking at openai potentially making an investment and part of the interesting thing is open AI doesn’t seem to really have a business model yet how does the company make money uh given that it has provided these tools mostly for free for people to check out and this is uh potentially going to be the first time that we see this play out because open AI is reportedly working on a paid version of chat GPT that through paying you would get answers faster and maybe not uh get hit with that hey we’re over capacity right now so you can’t uh join in so basically if you were in the open AI Discord uh you would have seen a message talking about how they are considering uh doing a um a a version of open ai’s chat GPT that would let you uh gain access to it and use it at any at any time uh but you have to sign up for it so um the I I found the link to it and was able to fill it out uh just to see kind of what the process was like and basically it asks you of course for your email and what you were using chat GPT for and then also it asks you some questions about pricing it asked um how expensive is too expensive for chat GPT how expensive or so it’s like um what would be a price that you would consider too expensive to be willing to pay for chat GPT and then it was what would be a price that would be uh uh so inexpensive that you would consider that the product probably wouldn’t be worth even checking out because you’re not charging enough for it essentially then it was what would be a price that would be a good deal a really good deal that you would be willing to pay for no problem and then what would be a price that is uh getting to the point where you would not want to pay for it if it got any more expensive than this and then uh what would you be willing to pay for it uh you know monthly or whatever it happens to be and so I filled all that out just to see uh and this hasn’t rolled out yet but it is interesting what this could mean um what would potentially provide uh and I want to be clear the the wait list that I filled out did not have this information so they may have updated the wait list uh since that since TechCrunch reported uh on on this news because TechCrunch has a screenshot and it says uh chat GPT professional experimental is geared toward professional use with always available uh access so there would be no blackout Windows fast responses from chat GPT so you wouldn’t get throttling and as many messages as you need at least two times the regular daily limit so that would um allow I’ve never run up against the limit in the first place so that hasn’t been an issue for me but this was the first time uh today that I went to log in and was not even able to access it so I could see that going forward being an issue um now the the interesting thing is it is still just an online web page that lets you type things into it and get responses you know it’s not really a professional level Tool uh in fact it’s kind of hard sometimes to make adjustments to what you’ve typed in or to uh to to recall what you’ve sent before and so what I would find interesting about this is how open AI May uh change and upgrade the experience such that people would be willing to pay money um to use this as a professional tool because you’ve got some other services out there I think of uh grammarly as a great example and there are some other online services where you can sort of paste in some text and get some suggestions on how it might be improved uh and they often have browser extensions and all sorts of of different tools to go about using that so I wonder if we start off by you know you pay to get access at all times will they then take the opportunity to improve upon what’s already there to make it more of a professional tool than it is right now so we’ll see um we’ll see it’s but but the early kind of interesting thing for me is just the fact that you know if the company is paying a couple of cents uh for every single uh use of the service and more and more people are checking it out that money starts to add up and there aren’t ads or anything on this page there’s nothing that is um you know resulting in them getting money back so it’s quite literally just losing money losing money losing money losing money losing money uh so they got to do something if they want to keep this tool available and you know able to be accessed for people um so we’ll see how that’s going to look but it did make me curious I know that um chat GPT has continued to be mostly just a fun and occasionally interesting entertaining uh fidget tool I guess to to play around with or yeah curiosity uh bar trick kind of thing but it has for me it’s not been any sort of professional tool at all um but I am curious if a how much you have used it and B if you could see using this in some sort of um professional way or you know semi-professional way I haven’t had much reason to use it other than pure curiosity really but um yeah like how would I need to imp you know what need do I have to fill um in order to you know to implement a system like chat gbt to improve what I do for a career which is usually speaking in front of a camera and hopefully speaking authentically you know like the the my needs for chat GPT are are very uh shallow or light um I think I’m kind of same boat as you just really it’s a curiosity thing more than anything really kind of getting a sense of what it’s capable of and then also kind of looking ahead and going okay well if this is where we are now and a service like this is being monetized and implemented and as we’ll talk about in the next story of the week uh being implemented in very you know interesting ways where people have figured out how they can use chat GPT and make things like their work you know it impact the work in different ways but I’m certainly personally not there I I would think it would be surprising to me if chat GPT didn’t do what they’re working on right now the people behind it because it really is you know so so often in technology it’s can you capitalize on the time when the lightning strikes and the lightning has struck in a big way for the folks who created chat GPT so what do you do with that they’re they’re in a prime position to yeah to really make an impact and and also potentially create a really interesting and successful business around that so so I’m not surprised I said um give me a 10 line rhyming poem that explains why someone would want to pay for chat GPT and here we go with chat GPT by your side you’ll have answers you can confide no need to search or to roam just type and let it compose in seconds you’ll have a reply that’s relevant accurate and spry no more waiting or delay just type and watch it play so why would you want to pay for a tool that helps you sway it’s simple it’s worth every cent with chat GPT your time is well spent yeah clever clever um well I guess we’ll find out uh you know what it ends up costing uh you know what they’re going to do with that what I will find fascinating is whether it will or how long rather it’s going to be a an experiment of how much it’s going to cost versus being rolled out entirely because I know there’s got to be this this level of like oh oh we just want a few more people to check it out and realize the value of it oh oh let’s keep it open just a little bit longer but more people they’re starting to get it they’re starting to get it and then you reach a point where it’s like okay it’s gonna take us too much we need to lock it down yeah right right playing this playing in the space I think is the most fascinating thing here for me yeah yeah indeed all right well speaking of AI we will continue to talk about AI this time with an AI confession but first let’s take a break so I can tell you about collide died who are bringing you this very episode of tech news weekly if you’re listening to this podcast the odds are good that at some point you or someone you know will go through an audit like sock 2 or ISO 27001 and when you do you’ll have to answer some tough questions about endpoint security questions like do all your company laptops have their disks encrypted does everyone have the company’s password manager installed do you 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mean let’s hear from Jason Howell let’s hear it for the boys okay uh sorry I can’t I can’t hear that’s like the name I’m glad you did not like try and sing it I need needed it so good yeah you know that was me that wasn’t an AI representing me singing the song Maybe in the future I’ll protect you by doing that anyways uh so last week I talked a little bit about Ai and the taking our jobs threat which is you know often what people you know are very concerned about with the potential of AI uh specifically about the Panic around Apple’s AI narrators uh to actual you know audiobook narrator jobs so let’s continue this theme a little bit this time around it’s journalism itself that’s getting some headlines a futurism article by Frank lannymore actually highlights a discovery made by someone on Twitter Gail Brighton Brayton an online marketer who took to Twitter to show how CNET was publishing articles written by AI now Brayton captured a few screenshots of a Google of a few Google searches that actually show a few articles uh to start off with as examples so one article is called what are NSF fees and why do banks charge them and you’ve got another one called should you break a CD early for a better rate so obviously these two examples and many of the other ones um referenced are all Financial kind of focused articles also seem to be kind of like explainer type articles uh which we can get to in a second Brighton noted his search results pulled back at least 72 articles published by CNET starting November 11th that carried with them a disclaimer and that disclaimer at least you could see it in the search results it’s kind of like part of the text of the search result inside Google it says this article was generated using automation technology and thoroughly edited and fact checked by an editor on our editorial staff so that’s the quote now Braden said this disclaimer printed easily within the Google search results as you can see on the actual article Pages however the byline listed says CNET money staff now if you knew to click on CNET money staff you would then reveal that disclaimer in full so yes seen that disclosed but also it’s not really made entirely clear unless you go digging Beyond what’s shown on the screen at first glance so there’s I mean there’s something there it’s kind of like yeah they disclose but did they put it right out in front you know where it probably deserved to be no they didn’t you had to know to click the thing to see it um so I’m sure there are people who read it and who might never have questions or second guessed it um now Brayton noted that Google metrics show that some of these pages are being rewarded with a lot of search traffic and that actually points to Google’s own algorithms not recognizing or not demoting the content based on its AI derived roots and this is important because last April Google’s search Advocate John Muller uh put out a post or a a Blog I think it was citing that AI content was against its own guidelines so if that’s the case is Google kind of you know is Google even aware that this was written by Ai and if it’s not aware that’s that’s interesting in and of itself um but if it is why is this getting through being promoted all this kind of stuff I guess one question there is I’m curious to know what you think about this when you’re talking about explainer articles or articles where it’s facts or details they are fact checking I mean often these are articles that you know I’ve known some people who who write articles like these and they’re not their favorite articles to write right they’re really mundane and boring pretty easy to piece together because you’re just talking about facts and details um so like does it matter if an AI wrote it if it’s still factual if it’s still fact checked if it’s disclosed like I don’t know does that change things if it’s fact checked what let me try that again if it’s you know I said that correct I don’t know why if it’s fast checked and it is disclosed then on the surface at the very least yeah I think that that’s fine you know you obviously don’t want to be putting out a piece that is inaccurate um and I think that’s the biggest uh thing from that perspective and then on the other side So journalistically speaking the fact checking and uh the disclosure are the two in my opinion the two check boxes you need to check so that’s considering considering the journalistic perspective then we have to consider the humanist perspective I guess um in which you say all of the so I I it’s been my experience that working at a uh a site that is kind of like a blogger site or a tech news site uh where you’re writing everyone is underpaid or almost everyone is underpaid um and remains underpaid the whole time they work for the company and um if you are already underpaying people and then there’s one specific company that I’m thinking of now uh that acquired a company that I worked for in the past um who is notorious for not only underpaying but also having one of the most paid the the highest paid CEOs in publishing then you start to go you’re trying to cut costs uh by not hiring Freelancers or by uh cutting down on the number of posts that people are doing so thereby being able to reduce your staff if you are adding an AI system to put out posts so that you can increase the pay that you give to people because you’re making more money because those posts that uh you know you can do more of those posts so that it leads to more Google results or whatever if the math ends up equaling you paying more money to the people uh that work for you that’s great but when we look at that how often does that happen I think it’s very unlikely that it’s going to be results in people getting paid more I think it’s going to result in cost cutting uh measures so I think we you know that’s the thing we can’t look at any of this in a vacuum um the vacuum of journalistic Integrity as I said I can I feel comfortable giving it those check boxes um if you disclose it properly uh and you fact check it it’s just that as a human being I can’t just go with that and call it a day and say oh you know it’s fine that’s good because I got to consider the other uh sides of it and that’s my worry uh with that uh then there’s the I guess the third part of me that is like hated writing those kinds of pieces that I’m glad that there’s something that can do that so that’s good um so yeah it’s it’s definitely a mixed bag right yeah that’s how I feel about it too it’s definitely a mixed bag and I should also point out like it’s not like this is the first time that articles like these have been written by Computers online we’ve seen that for years you know a lot of like link Beatty kind of uh junk junk sites that are just collecting web traffic you know for ads displayed on the screen you see I mean what what seems to be anyways a lot of those articles are probably written by by robots or or just randomly generated in some cases um and so seeing that being a news you know a very well-known respected news uh news agency let’s say um that’s maybe a little strange but this isn’t even the first time that we’ve seen that the Associated Press has been doing this for earnings reports apparently since 2015. so there is an application of this sort of thing you know that that the AP is doing as well and again it’s it’s like what is the kind of article well an earnings report this is a lot of you know pre I think it’s easier to write something like that because it’s just based on it’s based on sheer facts and data yeah and also oftentimes it’s an AI That’s reading that earnings report that has been generated by an AI that then takes that information and gives it to the people who you know what I mean so yeah that that’s yeah um I I think there are certain things um that the value of having a human do it is very very very low uh and ends up being kind of busy work for someone yeah versus just getting that done uh by way I mean unless again if you’ve got the earnings report editor that’s your company and you’re trying to fire them um that stinks I know that it will happen but that stinks yeah yeah yeah I totally agree with that so anyways interesting to note um I don’t know that at least you know the last time I checked um earlier earlier this morning I did not see a reply from CNET as far as this is concerned because it’s not like they they announced this and say hey we’re trying something new we are going to have you know a AI write some of our you know kind of fact factoid related stories or or whatever um it just kind of started happening I don’t know that CNET was required necessarily to make that announcement but when you’re talking about something as you know obviously very sensitive and kind of uh it has the potential to impact jobs and things like this and you’re a journalistic outfit like you probably should but um they’re not required to I guess so I mean I’m just curious to see what CNET says eventually about this and uh if other outlets are doing this or or considering doing it tools like chat GPT make it hard to not at least entertain the idea to be you know along with AI and the development of it to be at The Cutting Edge of what comes next because it’s really hard to stand in the face of this and say no don’t don’t progress you know don’t develop that idea anymore like it’s kind of just gonna happen so do you ride the wave with it or do you push back against it and you know to what end so anyways yeah what what is uh what is it the uh the uh I’m blanking on the name of it the the uh Universal basically yeah oh see I I’m very careful about mentioning that because that’s for some people are like too far it’s super super triggering yes that’s actually what I do want is universal basic income but don’t tell everybody I said that I think you just did this podcasting works oh no or you was like I’m at the core of podcasting Micah it goes out to everyone how can you prove it 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